Oh my! Pretty Lady you are manifestly not a tyro when it comes to optimism but a master practitioner. Your level of optimism seems to have an esoteric quality to it much like those myriad Eastern martial arts. Have you a name for your particular brand of optimism – are there degrees?
Now then – the macro. Pretty Lady crunches numbers (her practical side comes out). PL said: “The amount of worldwide political violence has declined dramatically in recent years.” The statistics coincide with the time and influence of the Soviet Union, Mao’s China, and numerous other lesser Red Brigades. You’ll remember they went about the world creating mischief and teaching the finer points of the AK-47. PL might answer: well what of it. They have fallen and/or transformed themselves, less political violence, good. A deranged Utopia has fallen on the ash heap of history, a reason for optimism. But George sees a phoenix (imaginative folk those Arabs) rising out of those ashes, and a reason for pessimism.
PL said: “The philosophical mastermind of global Islamist jihad is now, himself, starting to reconsider.” Yes, and the Muslim Brotherhood, Wahhabism, and a growing worldwide network of madrasas have chucked the old ideologies and curriculum for something more modern and cultured – Game Theory and Game Design 101. (Well, wouldn’t it be nice)
There is much to be pessimistic about here (okay, for me not Pretty Lady). For example: in the BEYOND OMINOUS category:
British Judge Says YES To Sharia Law In Britain (in fact)
Worldwide Concern Amongst Women Grows (my own extrapolating headline)
Yes, yes, it’s just one judge BUT interesting times cannot but start with uneventful events i.e. a German beer hall putsch.
Yes, yes, Sharia for disputes among Muslims – no big deal. Have you heard this one before? – A Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, and an atheist go into a bar… I wonder who’ll adjudicate that mess and by which set of laws or standards? I nominate SCOTUS – they can do anything.
PL said: “It is fashionable to decry low birth rates in certain circles.” Yes, nature abhors a vacuum and Muslims have stepped up and in. The charismatic and evangelical among them are tingling all over. See: http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/07/03/british-judge-says-yes-to-sharia-law-in-britain/ That doesn’t seem like the Middle East in the background to me, does it to you?
Wrapping it up with – the micro (Pretty Lady wins me over. Well not really, since I’ve been here all along)
PL said: “On a personal level … reasons for optimism are perhaps even more compelling” Yes, yes, yes! Exactly. Much of what Pretty Lady alludes to at the micro level - personal experiences, humans behaving with kindness and a generous spirit – just so. Over the course of time, it seems, humans manage to conquer an enemy i.e. Polio. An optimist is given one more reason to remain an optimist. Then AIDS. The pessimist, one more reason to remain a pessimist. We look at the same thing and you may see the glass half full and I half empty. This is of little consequence – basically the same DNA double helix with nothing more than a more or less acute spiral at our respective optimist/pessimist gene.
In this smaller world, you, I, and nearly everyone else have reasons for optimism. Those you’ve enumerated and more, much more. I think this optimism is of an organic nature, something that plays a vital role and tacitly leads to propagating the race – not out of an animal instinct but a sentient being’s ultimate sometimes grudging acknowledgement that “hey, even with all the problems, this is still fun”.
I should love to live exclusively in this small world and would highly recommend it to everyone. Here I can safely be an optimist. Unfortunately, there are too many for whom this personal world is too small. They are inspired to greatness, utopias, workers’ paradises, heaven on earth, and mean to pull it off by whatever means. In this macro world I remain a pessimist.
That's silly. As goes the cell, so goes the organism. People go through stages of infancy, childhood, adolescence, and maturity, and so do societies. It's silly to assume that societies aren't as capable of learning from their mistakes as individuals are.
What you do not seem to understand is that my optimism is not of the brand that declares, "Everything is going to be hunky-dory!" despite the facts. It is of the brand that declares that mistakes, problems and pain are essential and integral to our reasons for being here. We are here to increase in wisdom and compassion. Sometimes we have to get sick to acquire it.
I find the cell – organism analogy unconvincing. Cells operate under strict microbiological physical laws. The organism not so much. Let’s say societies may be capable of learning from their mistakes much like individuals. If so, we are left with the fact that sometimes individuals fail to learn from their mistakes and must therefore allow that sometimes societies do also. The individual’s failure, ranging from moral weakness to moral turpitude results in dire consequences – for a few. A society’s moral turpitude, results in wars and holocausts. Just a cursory look through the 20th Century makes me less sanguine about the 21st.
I do understand Pretty Lady’s brand of optimism and share it - until that moment when it goes supernova. When you say “we are here to increase in wisdom and compassion” - I agree. However, the attribution of such virtues to states makes me think your optimism is just too boundless. I can see wisdom and compassion in Pretty Lady. I cannot fathom them in a state. From a state I see only “realpolitik” of one sort or another.
From a state I see only “realpolitik” of one sort or another.
A state is made up of people.
Yes, there are venal, manipulative, stupid, selfish people out there, and a large number of them end up in politics. But there are decent people who go into politics as well, and the communications revolution has made the average person much more able to participate and influence political decisions. It has also made it much, much harder for scumbags to hide.
I, for one, believe that our society is beginning to mature. I am formidably impressed with many of the young people I am meeting. They seem to me to be responsible, pro-active, non-sexist, and not inclined to sit around whining, blaming The Man. They're volunteering for the Peace Corps, Americorps, Habitat for Humanity. They're going into medicine, psychology, ecology, teaching, social work. They're interested in helping other people and they don't wait around for someone to give them permission to follow their hearts.
And look at what happened in our Presidential primaries. Instead of getting a couple of lying, power-mad, controlling, top-down old-school pols (Clinton and Giuliani), we ended up with Obama and McCain, the system outsiders, and both with more integrity in their little fingers than Clinton or Giuliani ever imagined.
There's that optimism again - it must positively radiate from you.
I don't quite see it your way. I see another couple of national candidates that come from an increasingly inbred political gene pool. The former, yet another Harvard law clone and the latter has been around long enough to have bagged his very own scandal.
Alright, I'm a pessimist and a cynic to boot (in this very narrow political context). If it turns out you're right and I'm dead wrong, I shall come over to your side and I promise to positively radiate.
Darlings, where to start? Sometimes I feel as though I have lived a thousand lives in this one, dewy and unlined though my complexion may be. To Tell All may be to intimidate; thus I maintain, at most times, a discreet reserve. But here I share my musings, perhaps revealing the secret to my exquisite poise and charm.
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Thanks, Pretty Lady. That made my day!
Oh my! Pretty Lady you are manifestly not a tyro when it comes to optimism but a master practitioner. Your level of optimism seems to have an esoteric quality to it much like those myriad Eastern martial arts. Have you a name for your particular brand of optimism – are there degrees?
Now then – the macro. Pretty Lady crunches numbers (her practical side comes out).
PL said: “The amount of worldwide political violence has declined dramatically in recent years.”
The statistics coincide with the time and influence of the Soviet Union, Mao’s China, and numerous other lesser Red Brigades. You’ll remember they went about the world creating mischief and teaching the finer points of the AK-47. PL might answer: well what of it. They have fallen and/or transformed themselves, less political violence, good. A deranged Utopia has fallen on the ash heap of history, a reason for optimism. But George sees a phoenix (imaginative folk those Arabs) rising out of those ashes, and a reason for pessimism.
PL said: “The philosophical mastermind of global Islamist jihad is now, himself, starting to reconsider.”
Yes, and the Muslim Brotherhood, Wahhabism, and a growing worldwide network of madrasas have chucked the old ideologies and curriculum for something more modern and cultured – Game Theory and Game Design 101. (Well, wouldn’t it be nice)
There is much to be pessimistic about here (okay, for me not Pretty Lady).
For example: in the BEYOND OMINOUS category:
British Judge Says YES To Sharia Law In Britain (in fact)
Worldwide Concern Amongst Women Grows (my own extrapolating headline)
Yes, yes, it’s just one judge BUT interesting times cannot but start with uneventful events i.e. a German beer hall putsch.
Yes, yes, Sharia for disputes among Muslims – no big deal. Have you heard this one before? – A Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, and an atheist go into a bar…
I wonder who’ll adjudicate that mess and by which set of laws or standards? I nominate SCOTUS – they can do anything.
PL said: “It is fashionable to decry low birth rates in certain circles.”
Yes, nature abhors a vacuum and Muslims have stepped up and in. The charismatic and evangelical among them are tingling all over. See:
http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/07/03/british-judge-says-yes-to-sharia-law-in-britain/
That doesn’t seem like the Middle East in the background to me, does it to you?
Wrapping it up with – the micro (Pretty Lady wins me over. Well not really, since I’ve been here all along)
PL said: “On a personal level … reasons for optimism are perhaps even more compelling”
Yes, yes, yes! Exactly. Much of what Pretty Lady alludes to at the micro level - personal experiences, humans behaving with kindness and a generous spirit – just so. Over the course of time, it seems, humans manage to conquer an enemy i.e. Polio. An optimist is given one more reason to remain an optimist. Then AIDS. The pessimist, one more reason to remain a pessimist. We look at the same thing and you may see the glass half full and I half empty. This is of little consequence – basically the same DNA double helix with nothing more than a more or less acute spiral at our respective optimist/pessimist gene.
In this smaller world, you, I, and nearly everyone else have reasons for optimism. Those you’ve enumerated and more, much more. I think this optimism is of an organic nature, something that plays a vital role and tacitly leads to propagating the race – not out of an animal instinct but a sentient being’s ultimate sometimes grudging acknowledgement that “hey, even with all the problems, this is still fun”.
I should love to live exclusively in this small world and would highly recommend it to everyone. Here I can safely be an optimist. Unfortunately, there are too many for whom this personal world is too small. They are inspired to greatness, utopias, workers’ paradises, heaven on earth, and mean to pull it off by whatever means. In this macro world I remain a pessimist.
In this macro world I remain a pessimist.
That's silly. As goes the cell, so goes the organism. People go through stages of infancy, childhood, adolescence, and maturity, and so do societies. It's silly to assume that societies aren't as capable of learning from their mistakes as individuals are.
What you do not seem to understand is that my optimism is not of the brand that declares, "Everything is going to be hunky-dory!" despite the facts. It is of the brand that declares that mistakes, problems and pain are essential and integral to our reasons for being here. We are here to increase in wisdom and compassion. Sometimes we have to get sick to acquire it.
As goes the cell, so goes the organism.
I find the cell – organism analogy unconvincing. Cells operate under strict microbiological physical laws. The organism not so much. Let’s say societies may be capable of learning from their mistakes much like individuals. If so, we are left with the fact that sometimes individuals fail to learn from their mistakes and must therefore allow that sometimes societies do also. The individual’s failure, ranging from moral weakness to moral turpitude results in dire consequences – for a few. A society’s moral turpitude, results in wars and holocausts. Just a cursory look through the 20th Century makes me less sanguine about the 21st.
I do understand Pretty Lady’s brand of optimism and share it - until that moment when it goes supernova. When you say “we are here to increase in wisdom and compassion” - I agree. However, the attribution of such virtues to states makes me think your optimism is just too boundless. I can see wisdom and compassion in Pretty Lady. I cannot fathom them in a state. From a state I see only “realpolitik” of one sort or another.
From a state I see only “realpolitik” of one sort or another.
A state is made up of people.
Yes, there are venal, manipulative, stupid, selfish people out there, and a large number of them end up in politics. But there are decent people who go into politics as well, and the communications revolution has made the average person much more able to participate and influence political decisions. It has also made it much, much harder for scumbags to hide.
I, for one, believe that our society is beginning to mature. I am formidably impressed with many of the young people I am meeting. They seem to me to be responsible, pro-active, non-sexist, and not inclined to sit around whining, blaming The Man. They're volunteering for the Peace Corps, Americorps, Habitat for Humanity. They're going into medicine, psychology, ecology, teaching, social work. They're interested in helping other people and they don't wait around for someone to give them permission to follow their hearts.
And look at what happened in our Presidential primaries. Instead of getting a couple of lying, power-mad, controlling, top-down old-school pols (Clinton and Giuliani), we ended up with Obama and McCain, the system outsiders, and both with more integrity in their little fingers than Clinton or Giuliani ever imagined.
Obama and McCain, the system outsiders...
There's that optimism again - it must positively radiate from you.
I don't quite see it your way. I see another couple of national candidates that come from an increasingly inbred political gene pool. The former, yet another Harvard law clone and the latter has been around long enough to have bagged his very own scandal.
Alright, I'm a pessimist and a cynic to boot (in this very narrow political context). If it turns out you're right and I'm dead wrong, I shall come over to your side and I promise to positively radiate.
Pretty Lady, have just had a Twilight Zone experience. Just minutes after posting my last comment I wandered onto this page.
http://mrspeel.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/review-learned-optimism-by-martin-seligmann/#more-449
Haven’t read it myself yet ( perhaps I’m dreading have you AND a learned doctor in opposition). Thought it might be of interest to you.
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