Removal of the contents is not needed. Ignoring the content is enough.
Also, by noticing that the real thought is not the words, but precedes the words and has no need of the words except to communicate the thought to others, one can see that the speed of thought is infinitely quick.
The focus many have on beliefs has puzzled me for a long time. The character and essence of a person is much more consistent, reliable, harder to change. A 'belief' can be abandoned as it was adopted. It can be held yet have little influence upon one's actions. It can be stated yet not exist. Or lied about for expediency. And it can be most wrenchingly, truly, wholly believed - but if the ideal of it cannot be met a statement of hope can lead to guilt and despair. The fortunate have beliefs that build up both them and those near them and produce the most amazing lives. But I see them as rare. Give me a sense of the person's virtues, weaknesses, driving forces, hopes and wishes, past experiences and actions. Belief is important but is layered upon and interacts with all of that. It is, as you say, a content of consciousness, not the thing itself.
Your earlier 'ontological epistemology' was delightful. And the argument under it reminded me of why, much as I love discussing the actual *idea* of a philosopher, I could never wade through the actual arguments and texts in college without thoughts of Dante's purgatory. But I do seem to recall that Descarte is not the only philosopher and that Aristotle did not make every statement hold up as a proof of the last (like a tower of bricks) but played with variations on a theme before laying out his preferred conclusion. Leaving others room to think, not treating the mind as a thing to box in.
(Plus, true or not, I once heard that Descarte had an agenda - to break the spiritual link between mind and body as held by the church so that they would loosen their ban upon doing autopsies. Anyone know the truth of this?)
Having said what I did on beliefs earlier though, I wish I actually did have PLs. For they make for one of those beautiful lives. And they are the real sort - a part of her heart and character, how she sees and treats others, herself, the world. And that highlights how so many of us - including myself - have beliefs that are largely of the mind. Or even worse, that noisy sort from the ego. It takes an active choice, a lot of work, a willingness to risk oneself, and an acceptance of what comes - including pain - to share PL's beliefs. I suspect that it is worth it.
Darlings, where to start? Sometimes I feel as though I have lived a thousand lives in this one, dewy and unlined though my complexion may be. To Tell All may be to intimidate; thus I maintain, at most times, a discreet reserve. But here I share my musings, perhaps revealing the secret to my exquisite poise and charm.
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Removal of the contents is not needed. Ignoring the content is enough.
Also, by noticing that the real thought is not the words, but precedes the words and has no need of the words except to communicate the thought to others, one can see that the speed of thought is infinitely quick.
P.T.
Excellent points, P.T.
The focus many have on beliefs has puzzled me for a long time. The character and essence of a person is much more consistent, reliable, harder to change. A 'belief' can be abandoned as it was adopted. It can be held yet have little influence upon one's actions. It can be stated yet not exist. Or lied about for expediency. And it can be most wrenchingly, truly, wholly believed - but if the ideal of it cannot be met a statement of hope can lead to guilt and despair. The fortunate have beliefs that build up both them and those near them and produce the most amazing lives. But I see them as rare. Give me a sense of the person's virtues, weaknesses, driving forces, hopes and wishes, past experiences and actions. Belief is important but is layered upon and interacts with all of that. It is, as you say, a content of consciousness, not the thing itself.
Your earlier 'ontological epistemology' was delightful. And the argument under it reminded me of why, much as I love discussing the actual *idea* of a philosopher, I could never wade through the actual arguments and texts in college without thoughts of Dante's purgatory. But I do seem to recall that Descarte is not the only philosopher and that Aristotle did not make every statement hold up as a proof of the last (like a tower of bricks) but played with variations on a theme before laying out his preferred conclusion. Leaving others room to think, not treating the mind as a thing to box in.
(Plus, true or not, I once heard that Descarte had an agenda - to break the spiritual link between mind and body as held by the church so that they would loosen their ban upon doing autopsies. Anyone know the truth of this?)
Having said what I did on beliefs earlier though, I wish I actually did have PLs. For they make for one of those beautiful lives. And they are the real sort - a part of her heart and character, how she sees and treats others, herself, the world. And that highlights how so many of us - including myself - have beliefs that are largely of the mind. Or even worse, that noisy sort from the ego. It takes an active choice, a lot of work, a willingness to risk oneself, and an acceptance of what comes - including pain - to share PL's beliefs. I suspect that it is worth it.
-A.R.
The results of prolonged mind control are not a belief they are a reality that can be entered through practice.
The true essence of the person can then come through all of the lifelong accumulated detritis.
To refuse to accept the possibility of this and to remain mired in a materialist view is, however, a belief.
P.T.
Exactly, P.T. Thoughts themselves are actually blocks to the experience of reality.
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